2.8 30v Twin Turbo
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RE: 2.8 30v Twin Turbo
how much would you 2.8 30v guys pay if someone made a kit similar to this but with gt28r turbos and no software?
If you want to make some cash on this, by all means go for it as it's a good idea, but you'd do better to sell it one or both of two ways - a full kit including software, or just sell the exhaust manifolds. Someone with no DIY bones in their body would probably jump at the first option, and others who are within range and ability to spend several hours on the dyno would probably go for the latter, as it's the most time-consuming and difficult "hard piece" for such a setup - the turbos, DPs, merge pipes, couplers, wastegates (if needed), etc can all be sourced or built easily and cheaply enough. But don't try to offer all the hard parts and then wish the buyer luck finding someone to burn them the chip to run it - it's a waste of your own time and efforts, and will likely result in VERY few sales.
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RE: 2.8 30v Twin Turbo
ORIGINAL: auditech79
Its the same size block, but its not even close to the same thing. The 2.8L uses an aluminum block with2 bolt main, while the S4 uses a cast iron block with a 4 bolt main. WAAY stronger.
ORIGINAL: jonus079
i could be completely wrong here but are you sure they dont use the same blocks for the 2.7t as the 2.8? ive seen exterior pictures for both and they look identical. the 2.8l even has the ports for the oil return but they car blocked off by a plastic cap.
ORIGINAL: auditech79
It really doesn't matter if you have forged pistons if your still running a 2 bolt main.
If you up-graded to a 4 bolt main like the S4 has then you could push some serious power.
Unitronics is where i would start for a tune myself.
It really doesn't matter if you have forged pistons if your still running a 2 bolt main.
If you up-graded to a 4 bolt main like the S4 has then you could push some serious power.
Unitronics is where i would start for a tune myself.
It wouldn’t surprise me if the block were exactly the same. A lot of companies do that. Take SAAB for example. Their 2.0t have the same block as the 2.3 naturally aspirated engines.
ORIGINAL: cincyTT
LOL, you saved me a bunch of money? Your still missing the fitting for the block and oil pan. Both are over $15. WHere are the turbo fittings? Thats another $35. Yes, you can make your own lines for less, but not where your thinking.
LOL, you saved me a bunch of money? Your still missing the fitting for the block and oil pan. Both are over $15. WHere are the turbo fittings? Thats another $35. Yes, you can make your own lines for less, but not where your thinking.
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RE: 2.8 30v Twin Turbo
I know and you know how to get our own lines. But there are still some parts you didnt list that were still needed. But many just buy premade since they save the frustation of all the fittings and adapters.
And i said ~$500 (probably less) for all the lines, including water lines
And i said ~$500 (probably less) for all the lines, including water lines
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RE: 2.8 30v Twin Turbo
ORIGINAL: UpstateNYA4
Being serious, with no rudeness meant and me hoping you read this with an open mind, but I'd pay exactly zero dollars, and it wouldnt' surprise me to see many others agree. Simple reason - a lot of us aren't within striking range of a tuning shop with the dyno, skills, and time to have our cars on the equipment making pull after pull while the software is sorted out/developed. I know the value of that work, and I know that it's worth the money it costs, especially on a complex, OBD2 car like the A4, but for a lot of us having a kit of pieces put together by someone but sold without the flash program that allows it to work is akin to being offered a Porsche but being told that we have to supply the engine. Why bother? And with the exception of exhaust manifold fabrication, most people who would really want to do this would be able to put their own "kit" together, costing only what the parts cost and not the additional money that someone else would justifiably charge for doing the legwork and parts-gathering, and would then be in exactly the same position - all the parts and no way to make them work right.
If you want to make some cash on this, by all means go for it as it's a good idea, but you'd do better to sell it one or both of two ways - a full kit including software, or just sell the exhaust manifolds. Someone with no DIY bones in their body would probably jump at the first option, and others who are within range and ability to spend several hours on the dyno would probably go for the latter, as it's the most time-consuming and difficult "hard piece" for such a setup - the turbos, DPs, merge pipes, couplers, wastegates (if needed), etc can all be sourced or built easily and cheaply enough. But don't try to offer all the hard parts and then wish the buyer luck finding someone to burn them the chip to run it - it's a waste of your own time and efforts, and will likely result in VERY few sales.
how much would you 2.8 30v guys pay if someone made a kit similar to this but with gt28r turbos and no software?
If you want to make some cash on this, by all means go for it as it's a good idea, but you'd do better to sell it one or both of two ways - a full kit including software, or just sell the exhaust manifolds. Someone with no DIY bones in their body would probably jump at the first option, and others who are within range and ability to spend several hours on the dyno would probably go for the latter, as it's the most time-consuming and difficult "hard piece" for such a setup - the turbos, DPs, merge pipes, couplers, wastegates (if needed), etc can all be sourced or built easily and cheaply enough. But don't try to offer all the hard parts and then wish the buyer luck finding someone to burn them the chip to run it - it's a waste of your own time and efforts, and will likely result in VERY few sales.
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From: Binghamton, NY
RE: 2.8 30v Twin Turbo
so software would go along way with a kit like this huh?
Pricing the kit reasonably is your other biggest factor, and you'd probably do best by selling it as a kit that includes piping and connectors, a flashed ECU chip that the buyer could have installed, and exhaust manifolds. Let the buyer have the option of sourcing his own turbos - you could offer the kit with them for those who don't want to do any searching and want to unpack a box with everything they need already in there, or without them in the event the buyer has a line on similar turbos (or who is like me and has a spare turbo or two lying around the garage from past cars). That way you don't force them to buy something that they may be able to get for less, or may have already - believe me they'd appreciate it. Give some options and flexibility like that, and keep the price reasonable, and you could have a hit. Read around on here and you'll find TONS of enthusiasm and a lake's-worth of drool for the PES supercharger, but only a couple people who actually have one. The reason is simple - it's a great idea, a sexy mod to have, it makes the car fast for sure, but it's too much f*cking coin for most people to drop (or to even justify spending) on a car that is several years old and has likely close to 100k miles. You sell a piping/manifold kit with software for $1600ish however, and an appropriate amount more when the turbos are included, and you'll probably find a good number of buyers. Price it at $5000 because you want to fund the purchase of an S5 on this idea, and you will have a very quiet cell phone and orders inbox.
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RE: 2.8 30v Twin Turbo
ORIGINAL: UpstateNYA4
It would be one of the two biggest points involved. The other would be price. I think that PES is hurting themselves by selling their superchargers for $5000+. Yeah, there are development costs to be covered, but it's as if they're trying to get their expenses covered by the sale of 25 kits. If their price was more reasonable and they tried to recoup their costs through volume sales instead of unit profit, they'd probably sell a lot more of them.
Pricing the kit reasonably is your other biggest factor, and you'd probably do best by selling it as a kit that includes piping and connectors, a flashed ECU chip that the buyer could have installed, and exhaust manifolds. Let the buyer have the option of sourcing his own turbos - you could offer the kit with them for those who don't want to do any searching and want to unpack a box with everything they need already in there, or without them in the event the buyer has a line on similar turbos (or who is like me and has a spare turbo or two lying around the garage from past cars). That way you don't force them to buy something that they may be able to get for less, or may have already - believe me they'd appreciate it. Give some options and flexibility like that, and keep the price reasonable, and you could have a hit. Read around on here and you'll find TONS of enthusiasm and a lake's-worth of drool for the PES supercharger, but only a couple people who actually have one. The reason is simple - it's a great idea, a sexy mod to have, it makes the car fast for sure, but it's too much f*cking coin for most people to drop (or to even justify spending) on a car that is several years old and has likely close to 100k miles. You sell a piping/manifold kit with software for $1600ish however, and an appropriate amount more when the turbos are included, and you'll probably find a good number of buyers. Price it at $5000 because you want to fund the purchase of an S5 on this idea, and you will have a very quiet cell phone and orders inbox.
so software would go along way with a kit like this huh?
Pricing the kit reasonably is your other biggest factor, and you'd probably do best by selling it as a kit that includes piping and connectors, a flashed ECU chip that the buyer could have installed, and exhaust manifolds. Let the buyer have the option of sourcing his own turbos - you could offer the kit with them for those who don't want to do any searching and want to unpack a box with everything they need already in there, or without them in the event the buyer has a line on similar turbos (or who is like me and has a spare turbo or two lying around the garage from past cars). That way you don't force them to buy something that they may be able to get for less, or may have already - believe me they'd appreciate it. Give some options and flexibility like that, and keep the price reasonable, and you could have a hit. Read around on here and you'll find TONS of enthusiasm and a lake's-worth of drool for the PES supercharger, but only a couple people who actually have one. The reason is simple - it's a great idea, a sexy mod to have, it makes the car fast for sure, but it's too much f*cking coin for most people to drop (or to even justify spending) on a car that is several years old and has likely close to 100k miles. You sell a piping/manifold kit with software for $1600ish however, and an appropriate amount more when the turbos are included, and you'll probably find a good number of buyers. Price it at $5000 because you want to fund the purchase of an S5 on this idea, and you will have a very quiet cell phone and orders inbox.