2001 A4 1.8 K04 Swap/Overboost Issues
#21
I think you misread my last post, wasn't bashing the seller of your k04. I was just saying I was surprised they didn't go with the more realiable supplier like the one you got. As far as my franken turbo, yes that is my thread. Turns out something hit the turbine and chewed the **** out of it. Back on topic: There are tons of people running Chinese turbos, and I would say a majority work fine for light or low mileage use but you will only ever hear people say when something's goes wrong.
Your turbo might be fine just move the wastegate flap to see, if not just get the replacement he offered. Turbos are actually pretty easy to replace
Your turbo might be fine just move the wastegate flap to see, if not just get the replacement he offered. Turbos are actually pretty easy to replace
#22
3/14/14 Update
Today, my mechanic and I were able to hook up my old K03 to see how much PSI it took to crack the wastegate, roughly 5 PSI. Then, I hooked the compressor to my K04. At first, I was pushing 5 PSI and nothing, but just above 10 PSI there it went. I then used my fingers to manually open the flapper a dozen times or so, from that point on it only took 5 PSI to crack her. Before conducting this test BTW, I ran a boost/vaccum leak test by using the compressor and everything appeared good.
I wasn't able to test drive it though because we're also installing a new MAF, and stopped mid-way through because we were thirsty for a barley pop, that and it was a long day. We'll pick-up where we left off early tomorrow morning, at which point once the MAF switch is complete, we'll also be installing my new Valeo Single-Mass Conversion Clutch kit replacement. Yeah, I cheaped out on the clutch rather than getting something sweet, but granted I just bought a turbo, MAF, software, 5BAR, and windshield wiper tranny, there's only so much dough available at any given time
Once we finish the MAF and clutch tomorrow, I'll give it a spin with my fingers crossed! Will be checking back with another update.
I wasn't able to test drive it though because we're also installing a new MAF, and stopped mid-way through because we were thirsty for a barley pop, that and it was a long day. We'll pick-up where we left off early tomorrow morning, at which point once the MAF switch is complete, we'll also be installing my new Valeo Single-Mass Conversion Clutch kit replacement. Yeah, I cheaped out on the clutch rather than getting something sweet, but granted I just bought a turbo, MAF, software, 5BAR, and windshield wiper tranny, there's only so much dough available at any given time
Once we finish the MAF and clutch tomorrow, I'll give it a spin with my fingers crossed! Will be checking back with another update.
#24
I do still have a MAF code, and even after installing a new OEM one this morning the engine light stayed off, but while driving it with Vag-Com hooked up, the MAF was still being overworked unfortunately. With that said, I just put my old one back in to save the $100 at the moment. In 4th/5th at higher RPM and WOT, the car was hesitating, loosing power by jerking/shuddering. I didn't have any boost/vacuum leaks when I pushed air through the system, and everything in regards to the logistics of the N75 valve were good during the drive according to Vag-Com. I was driving the vehicle while my mechanic rode in the passenger seat analyzing the values on Vag, but nothing during our in-depth run revealed inconsistencies with the N75 so it appears there's no issues there. We ran 1/2, 3/4, and WOT during the run, so I believe we did a very thorough job at making sure the boost expected and/or received is accurate.
Since the MAF values per Vag-Com didn't go away with a replacement, I'm thinking there may be a need for a larger one, but would like some input on this? I contacted a performance shop near my home that runs GIAC software, but he said my 2001 shouldn't require the VR6 or TT225 MAF, and it could actually create more problems. Maybe I just need to go the MBC route and tune the psi so that it doesn't even touch 25, even if it's only in 1st/2nd gears? But, a spike of 25psi is not that big of a concern though right? Isn't more or less where it's holding? Especially through gears where the RPM cycle is slower? (i.e. 3rd/4th/5th) where I'm at 20ish? Either way, the power is awesome, and by no means is "similar" in any way, shape, or form compared to the very same tune on my K03! It's night and day at this point with the K04/5BAR upgrade.
One thing I'm going to do for sure in regards to addressing the bogging/hesitating in 4th/5th during high RPM's is purchase an after-market silicone TIP. I don't feel like spending $200 on one from APR, although it does have wire inside that they claim would never collapse. With a K04, I'm thinking any decent Silicone should provide me with what I'm looking for compared to stock.
Here's what I'm looking at: What do you guys think?
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I think the shuddering/power loss that only occurs in 4th-5th at higher rpm's would be because of my stock 250k mile inlet pipe cannot handle the air-flow at such high RPM.....
Last edited by wildfan4eva; 03-15-2014 at 02:46 PM.
#25
25 psi is too high IMO, you should put a mbc in parallel to the n75 to reduce the spikes. The silicone TIP looks fine, I don't think it will do as much as you might expect but it might do well. Your maf size should be specified by the tuner, for example my tune calls for a 3" maf
#26
25 psi is too high IMO, you should put a mbc in parallel to the n75 to reduce the spikes. The silicone TIP looks fine, I don't think it will do as much as you might expect but it might do well. Your maf size should be specified by the tuner, for example my tune calls for a 3" maf
When it comes to setting the MBC, if you set it at lets say 21, you won't even get spikes over that? But, it should still be capable of holding at 21 still correct?
Edit-What part about the silicone TIP do you think it will not do too well at? All I'm looking for is a TIP that doesn't collapse with the added flow/boost of the K04, especially during higher rpm's like I "believe" my stock one is doing, resulting in the shudder/bogging/PSI fluttering that's going on.
Last edited by wildfan4eva; 03-15-2014 at 03:58 PM.
#27
I'm just astonished as to all the issues I've had since installing the K04 on the same software I had with my K03, disappointing to say the least.
Well, I just drove the car again and it's still overboosting at times. Although we didn't adjust the wastegate, I don't feel as if that's the issue anymore. Like I said already, it wouldn't open the first time we pushed 5psi into it, but rather took 15psi. After that first shot, it opened at 5psi repeatedly, so I'm ruling that out as being the sole reason for the overboost. Although, the boost is at least bleeding more so than it did before shooting air into it, so I guess it wasn't a complete lost cause.
I also ordered a boost sensor, but only as a last resort, we'll try putting it in since it's easy to do, but I have a feeling we'll be returning it because we're not confident it is the root cause either. My mechanic is now thinking the TIP is a primary cause of the shuddering/power loss, and overboost, so once I install the new silicone one I just ordered, I'll give an update. To change out the TIP, we might as well put another N75 in for the hell of it, even though Vag-Com didn't reveal any issues with how it was functioning, at this point it's virtually trial and error......
The thing is, on my way home from the shop which is about 20 miles or so, the car wasn't overboosting like it has been, was holding at 20-21 in 3rd-5th for the most part, and bleeding boost accordingly. I just drove it to the gas station which is only a couple miles from my home, and once again it was overboosting near 25ish on and off. With that said, whatever is going on is "inconsistent."
I did call ST and spoke to Oliver, he was pretty much out of ideas too, and pretty much said he doesn't think it's software related at all, go figure. At this point, I don't know what it's for sure either, but my hopes is that the TIP is collapsing, resulting in the overboost and hesitation/shudder. Sigh....
Well, I just drove the car again and it's still overboosting at times. Although we didn't adjust the wastegate, I don't feel as if that's the issue anymore. Like I said already, it wouldn't open the first time we pushed 5psi into it, but rather took 15psi. After that first shot, it opened at 5psi repeatedly, so I'm ruling that out as being the sole reason for the overboost. Although, the boost is at least bleeding more so than it did before shooting air into it, so I guess it wasn't a complete lost cause.
I also ordered a boost sensor, but only as a last resort, we'll try putting it in since it's easy to do, but I have a feeling we'll be returning it because we're not confident it is the root cause either. My mechanic is now thinking the TIP is a primary cause of the shuddering/power loss, and overboost, so once I install the new silicone one I just ordered, I'll give an update. To change out the TIP, we might as well put another N75 in for the hell of it, even though Vag-Com didn't reveal any issues with how it was functioning, at this point it's virtually trial and error......
The thing is, on my way home from the shop which is about 20 miles or so, the car wasn't overboosting like it has been, was holding at 20-21 in 3rd-5th for the most part, and bleeding boost accordingly. I just drove it to the gas station which is only a couple miles from my home, and once again it was overboosting near 25ish on and off. With that said, whatever is going on is "inconsistent."
I did call ST and spoke to Oliver, he was pretty much out of ideas too, and pretty much said he doesn't think it's software related at all, go figure. At this point, I don't know what it's for sure either, but my hopes is that the TIP is collapsing, resulting in the overboost and hesitation/shudder. Sigh....
#28
A mbc will control overboost spikes, as it reacts quicker than the computer controlled n75. Your hesitations may be caused by your spark plugs, that always made me jerk like crazy. Buy yourself some bkr7e's gapped at .028". I other thing I did was delete my icm and upgrade to 2.0tfsi coils and that stopped all misfiring on my current setup. I don't think the TIP would do anything honestly.
I really have no clue about your maf code, I've never heard of that before. I would just clean your sensor and see what happens. I guess the boost spiking to 25psi could cause the outflow
I really have no clue about your maf code, I've never heard of that before. I would just clean your sensor and see what happens. I guess the boost spiking to 25psi could cause the outflow
#29
A mbc will control overboost spikes, as it reacts quicker than the computer controlled n75. Your hesitations may be caused by your spark plugs, that always made me jerk like crazy. Buy yourself some bkr7e's gapped at .028". I other thing I did was delete my icm and upgrade to 2.0tfsi coils and that stopped all misfiring on my current setup. I don't think the TIP would do anything honestly.
I really have no clue about your maf code, I've never heard of that before. I would just clean your sensor and see what happens. I guess the boost spiking to 25psi could cause the outflow
I really have no clue about your maf code, I've never heard of that before. I would just clean your sensor and see what happens. I guess the boost spiking to 25psi could cause the outflow
Only time will tell if the TIP theory my mechanic believes in solves the problem. When my mechanic explained all the logistics with everything a collapsing TIP could affect, it made me a firm believer to say the least. I'll tell you one thing, after all the hassle I've already been through trying to pinpoint this BS, my fingers are definitely crossed with the whole TIP replacement.....boy let me tell ya!
Last edited by wildfan4eva; 03-16-2014 at 01:27 AM.