Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
2 questions, The other nite I was pulled over for speed in zone but couldn't give me a ticket cause he couldn't calculate my speed.....Radar/laser jammer.. He did not know this and couldn't figure out why he couldn't get my speed . though he said he knew my speed was inadequate for the road. He gave me a ticket that said" Inadequate speed in zone" but did not have a speed on there . Can I fight this bc he could determine my speed or do I have to eat it.. also can a cop sit in the dark with no headlights or parking lights and give you a ticket.. I thought they had to have some sort of light on to allow motorists to show he's there??
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
A couple pages back, there was mention of speed cameras that automatically issue a ticket. I don't think we've got any around here, but I am curious. Whenever I pass one of those roadside "This is your speed" signs, they seem wildly inaccurate and never get a good lock on my actual speed. I mean I can approach it at a steady speed and it jumps around within 10-15 mph. How can a ticket issued by one of these machines stand up in court? Does it have to be exceeding the limit by a wide enough margin that it is outside the margin of error? Now that leads into my second question, once one of these machines determines that a car is speeding, I presume that the ticket is issued to the registered owner of the vehicle via license plate number. How can it be proven that the registered owner was the person driving at the time? If the owner contests, and lets say the camera didn't get a look at the driver (glare, etc.), does the ticket get dropped? What if it was clearly not the registered owner, but he refused to identify the driver or claimed he didn't know who it was? Does the ticket then default to the registered owner?
Thanks in advance, and I'm glad to see the thread back!
Thanks in advance, and I'm glad to see the thread back!
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
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also can a cop sit in the dark with no headlights or parking lights and give you a ticket.. I thought they had to have some sort of light on to allow motorists to show he's there??
also can a cop sit in the dark with no headlights or parking lights and give you a ticket.. I thought they had to have some sort of light on to allow motorists to show he's there??
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
ORIGINAL: BAMF
A couple pages back, there was mention of speed cameras that automatically issue a ticket. I don't think we've got any around here, but I am curious. Whenever I pass one of those roadside "This is your speed" signs, they seem wildly inaccurate and never get a good lock on my actual speed. I mean I can approach it at a steady speed and it jumps around within 10-15 mph. How can a ticket issued by one of these machines stand up in court? Does it have to be exceeding the limit by a wide enough margin that it is outside the margin of error? Now that leads into my second question, once one of these machines determines that a car is speeding, I presume that the ticket is issued to the registered owner of the vehicle via license plate number. How can it be proven that the registered owner was the person driving at the time? If the owner contests, and lets say the camera didn't get a look at the driver (glare, etc.), does the ticket get dropped? What if it was clearly not the registered owner, but he refused to identify the driver or claimed he didn't know who it was? Does the ticket then default to the registered owner?
Thanks in advance, and I'm glad to see the thread back!
A couple pages back, there was mention of speed cameras that automatically issue a ticket. I don't think we've got any around here, but I am curious. Whenever I pass one of those roadside "This is your speed" signs, they seem wildly inaccurate and never get a good lock on my actual speed. I mean I can approach it at a steady speed and it jumps around within 10-15 mph. How can a ticket issued by one of these machines stand up in court? Does it have to be exceeding the limit by a wide enough margin that it is outside the margin of error? Now that leads into my second question, once one of these machines determines that a car is speeding, I presume that the ticket is issued to the registered owner of the vehicle via license plate number. How can it be proven that the registered owner was the person driving at the time? If the owner contests, and lets say the camera didn't get a look at the driver (glare, etc.), does the ticket get dropped? What if it was clearly not the registered owner, but he refused to identify the driver or claimed he didn't know who it was? Does the ticket then default to the registered owner?
Thanks in advance, and I'm glad to see the thread back!
, DC only uses their cameras for generating revenue. ALL the rest, I'm told, are for actual law-enforcement...
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
I've often heard that unless you're wanted for doing something really stupid, if an officer tries to pull you over and you run there is a certain speed above which they can't chase you. Logically, there has to be a point at which the risks of continuing the pursuit outweigh the benefits of catching some guy who was speeding. Is there any truth to this?
*edit* I wanted to add that I'm not going to take this information and start running from the police. I'm simply curious. I spent some time doing MP work during my tenure in the military, so I have a bit of an appreciation and respect for what you folks do.
*edit: again* I thought of another. I was a submariner in the navy, and folks would often ask me which submarine movie was most accurate. The best answer is always "Down Periscope," as it's a perfect depiction of the general attitude and mindset on a submarine. Is "Supertroopers" pretty accurate along the same lines for you guys?
*edit* I wanted to add that I'm not going to take this information and start running from the police. I'm simply curious. I spent some time doing MP work during my tenure in the military, so I have a bit of an appreciation and respect for what you folks do.
*edit: again* I thought of another. I was a submariner in the navy, and folks would often ask me which submarine movie was most accurate. The best answer is always "Down Periscope," as it's a perfect depiction of the general attitude and mindset on a submarine. Is "Supertroopers" pretty accurate along the same lines for you guys?
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
Ihave personally seen many chases in MD onRT50 heading to OC, where the bike was probably ticking around 150 and cops with lights on are still persueing... or one time I was on RT50 heading home(VA) with even with heavier traffic and the bike was riding the white line and cop was still chasing on the shoulder...
The later story there was a girl on the back wearing a tank top and booty shorts, instances like that make medislike somepolice officers as people. That girl had NO idea what was going to happen on this bike ride, she has NO control over the situation, and she is probably dead or limbless because that MD police officer decided to chase them for miles and miles through heavy traffic. Officers like that should have their badge removed.
nota- is there any rules to not follow if your in dangering innocent people by provocing the rider/offender. That girl was innocent, would you act the same way if the girl was your own daughter and you were putting her in harms way. hells no. you would deal with the situation later, get the plate number and show up at the house later in the evening.
The later story there was a girl on the back wearing a tank top and booty shorts, instances like that make medislike somepolice officers as people. That girl had NO idea what was going to happen on this bike ride, she has NO control over the situation, and she is probably dead or limbless because that MD police officer decided to chase them for miles and miles through heavy traffic. Officers like that should have their badge removed.
nota- is there any rules to not follow if your in dangering innocent people by provocing the rider/offender. That girl was innocent, would you act the same way if the girl was your own daughter and you were putting her in harms way. hells no. you would deal with the situation later, get the plate number and show up at the house later in the evening.
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
Not trying to answer for NAHO, but, each department sets it's own pursuit riles, depending on the rule of law, and commuity govenrance, I believe. NAHO can (and will) correct me, update my info, as necessary
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
Look up Dr. Salvatore J. Culosi, http://justiceforsal.com/, straight from the source, Commonwealth Attorney Robert Horan, Jr. when he elected not to bring involuntary manslaughter charges against Officer Deval V. Bullock or present the facts to a grand jury to make a determination. Forget the warrant that was going to be served for gambling, WHO CARES, Deval Bullock, turned off the safety, put his finger on the trigger, aimed at the mans chest, and pulled the TRIGGER... and still works for Fairfax County POLICE, making 85+ grand a year.
Makes you wonder how much he owed Sal, perhaps he was afraid that Sal was going to say thatBullock was a gambler, and that would have probably made him jobless, but killing a man, and he still has a job.
I believe that I read something like 43 years and not ONE Fairfax County police officer has ever been charged for manslaughter. They also said, thatBullock was tired, worked many hours, and didn't getmuch sleep. If working too many hours is a problem, maybepolice officers in generalshould not be able to have overtime, ifthey "accidently" shoot innocent UNARMED people while at work...
Makes you wonder how much he owed Sal, perhaps he was afraid that Sal was going to say thatBullock was a gambler, and that would have probably made him jobless, but killing a man, and he still has a job.
I believe that I read something like 43 years and not ONE Fairfax County police officer has ever been charged for manslaughter. They also said, thatBullock was tired, worked many hours, and didn't getmuch sleep. If working too many hours is a problem, maybepolice officers in generalshould not be able to have overtime, ifthey "accidently" shoot innocent UNARMED people while at work...
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
ORIGINAL: S4speedfreak
2 questions, The other nite I was pulled over for speed in zone but couldn't give me a ticket cause he couldn't calculate my speed.....Radar/laser jammer.. He did not know this and couldn't figure out why he couldn't get my speed . though he said he knew my speed was inadequate for the road. He gave me a ticket that said" Inadequate speed in zone" but did not have a speed on there . Can I fight this bc he could determine my speed or do I have to eat it.. also can a cop sit in the dark with no headlights or parking lights and give you a ticket.. I thought they had to have some sort of light on to allow motorists to show he's there??
2 questions, The other nite I was pulled over for speed in zone but couldn't give me a ticket cause he couldn't calculate my speed.....Radar/laser jammer.. He did not know this and couldn't figure out why he couldn't get my speed . though he said he knew my speed was inadequate for the road. He gave me a ticket that said" Inadequate speed in zone" but did not have a speed on there . Can I fight this bc he could determine my speed or do I have to eat it.. also can a cop sit in the dark with no headlights or parking lights and give you a ticket.. I thought they had to have some sort of light on to allow motorists to show he's there??
Around here we do not have to have lights on, DC does like AWD said. For that particular ticket he does not need to put what speed you were going, that is a ticket that we give when we can not determine precise speed. Go to court, it falls on the officer to testify how he knew your speed was inappropriate.
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RE: Ask a Police Officer Thread Ver. 2
ORIGINAL: BAMF
A couple pages back, there was mention of speed cameras that automatically issue a ticket. I don't think we've got any around here, but I am curious. Whenever I pass one of those roadside "This is your speed" signs, they seem wildly inaccurate and never get a good lock on my actual speed. I mean I can approach it at a steady speed and it jumps around within 10-15 mph. How can a ticket issued by one of these machines stand up in court? Does it have to be exceeding the limit by a wide enough margin that it is outside the margin of error? Now that leads into my second question, once one of these machines determines that a car is speeding, I presume that the ticket is issued to the registered owner of the vehicle via license plate number. How can it be proven that the registered owner was the person driving at the time? If the owner contests, and lets say the camera didn't get a look at the driver (glare, etc.), does the ticket get dropped? What if it was clearly not the registered owner, but he refused to identify the driver or claimed he didn't know who it was? Does the ticket then default to the registered owner?
Thanks in advance, and I'm glad to see the thread back!
A couple pages back, there was mention of speed cameras that automatically issue a ticket. I don't think we've got any around here, but I am curious. Whenever I pass one of those roadside "This is your speed" signs, they seem wildly inaccurate and never get a good lock on my actual speed. I mean I can approach it at a steady speed and it jumps around within 10-15 mph. How can a ticket issued by one of these machines stand up in court? Does it have to be exceeding the limit by a wide enough margin that it is outside the margin of error? Now that leads into my second question, once one of these machines determines that a car is speeding, I presume that the ticket is issued to the registered owner of the vehicle via license plate number. How can it be proven that the registered owner was the person driving at the time? If the owner contests, and lets say the camera didn't get a look at the driver (glare, etc.), does the ticket get dropped? What if it was clearly not the registered owner, but he refused to identify the driver or claimed he didn't know who it was? Does the ticket then default to the registered owner?
Thanks in advance, and I'm glad to see the thread back!
