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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 12:29 AM
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 05:51 AM
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I fired my room mate's P226 at a shooting range. Out of the P226, Glock 19 and Ruger .45, I liked the P226 the best. To me, it felt smooth, well balance and accurate. The glock 19 jammed a lot ( my friend ended getting rid of it later). The Ruger was alright but I couldn't seem to fire it as quick as the P226 and little harder recoil
 
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 05:55 PM
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I fired my room mate's P226 at a shooting range. Out of the P226, Glock 19 and Ruger .45, I liked the P226 the best. To me, it felt smooth, well balance and accurate. The glock 19 jammed a lot ( my friend ended getting rid of it later). The Ruger was alright but I couldn't seem to fire it as quick as the P226 and little harder recoil

thats because he didnt take care of it.. and do the proper "PMCS" on it.. i bet that the reason the gun jammed was because it wasnt clean.. wasnt cleaned properly.. or parts worn out from not cleaning it.
 
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 06:10 PM
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My room mate however, has a permit for his Sig P226...always loaded, just waiting for someone to break in to the house
You can give your roommate some valuable legal advice now that might save him a lot of trouble later - You can't shoot someone for breaking into your house. It's not an overly complicated legal principle. Each situation has it's own circumstances, but as a general rule, don't fire on people coming in a window.
 
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 07:39 PM
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My room mate however, has a permit for his Sig P226...always loaded, just waiting for someone to break in to the house
You can give your roommate some valuable legal advice now that might save him a lot of trouble later - You can't shoot someone for breaking into your house. It's not an overly complicated legal principle. Each situation has it's own circumstances, but as a general rule, don't fire on people coming in a window.
If I tell the intruder to stop and that person still tries to come in I will defend myself by shooting him...self defense..depends on the what state you live in I guess
 
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My room mate however, has a permit for his Sig P226...always loaded, just waiting for someone to break in to the house
You can give your roommate some valuable legal advice now that might save him a lot of trouble later - You can't shoot someone for breaking into your house. It's not an overly complicated legal principle. Each situation has it's own circumstances, but as a general rule, don't fire on people coming in a window.
If I tell the intruder to stop and that person still tries to come in I will defend myself by shooting him...self defense..depends on the what state you live in I guess
You may want to brush up on the statutes involving self-defense. You have to meet the threat with like force.

Some fat guy tumbling backwards thru your window after you told him to stop - then you put a few rounds in his head as he lies on the floor. It's not going to work out well for you. It's all in the details though. The same fat guy comes in thru the window and whips out a gun - then fire away. If you are thinking "I don't want to wait until he has time to verbally threaten me or pull out a weapon", then you have to consider that you are taking your chances. If you can run(which you usually can), then that is always the best option.
 
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 08:29 PM
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My room mate however, has a permit for his Sig P226...always loaded, just waiting for someone to break in to the house
You can give your roommate some valuable legal advice now that might save him a lot of trouble later - You can't shoot someone for breaking into your house. It's not an overly complicated legal principle. Each situation has it's own circumstances, but as a general rule, don't fire on people coming in a window.
If I tell the intruder to stop and that person still tries to come in I will defend myself by shooting him...self defense..depends on the what state you live in I guess
You may want to brush up on the statutes involving self-defense. You have to meet the threat with like force.

Some fat guy tumbling backwards thru your window after you told him to stop - then you put a few rounds in his head as he lies on the floor. It's not going to work out well for you. It's all in the details though. The same fat guy comes in thru the window and whips out a gun - then fire away. If you are thinking "I don't want to wait until he has time to verbally threaten me or pull out a weapon", then you have to consider that you are taking your chances. If you can run(which you usually can), then that is always the best option.
I agree, but if you caught someone climbing through your window, you point a gun at him and tell him to freeze/stop and he stills comes at you, I'd consider that as a threat to me and anyone in the household, therefor will fire at him.

"A person may defend his or her home against anyone who attempts to enter in a violent manner intending violence to any person in the home. The amount of force that may be used in resisting such entry is limited to that which would appear necessary to a reasonable person in the same or similar circumstances to resist the violent entry. One is not bound to retreat, even though a retreat might safely be made. One may resist force with force, increasing it in proportion to the intruder’s persistence and violence, if the circumstances apparent to the occupant would cause a reasonable person in the same or similar situation to fear for his or her safety.
The occupant may use a firearm when resisting the intruder’s attempt to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime against anyone in the home provided that a reasonable person in the same or similar situation would believe that (a) the intruder intends to commit a forcible and life-threatening crime; (b) there is imminent danger of such crime being accomplished; and (c) the occupant acts under the belief that use of a firearm is necessary to save himself or herself or another from death or great bodily injury. Murder, mayhem, rape, and robbery are examples of forcible and life-threatening crimes.
Any person using force intended or likely to cause death or great bodily injury within his or her residence shall be presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily injury to self, family, or a member of the household when that force is used against another person, not a member of the family or household, who unlawfully and forcibly enters or has unlawfully and forcibly entered the residence and the person using the force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry had occurred. "
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Old Oct 4, 2006 | 08:53 PM
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Well, that (a), (b) and (c) above spells out what I have been saying. You need those elements to be fulfilled before you start shooting. Notice the "reasonable person" standard and how said reasonable person would have to conclude that a life threatening crime is about to take place. All of those elements create a burden on the shooter, even though he is in his own home. So all I was saying at the start of this was that you can't shoot someone just for breaking into your house.

So if someone breaks into your house and you see each other, then they look on the dresser and see your $250K diamond bling, take it and head back out the window - you can't shoot them. The idea being that you can't defend property with deadly force.

If someone breaks in to your house and fulfills on some level by the viewing of a reasonable person a, b and c above, then you can shoot them.

So I guess the advice for your roommate still stands, unless the person breaking in meets certain requirements.
 
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 09:56 PM
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DAMN!!..so we can't shoot him..hmmm either we make him do any of a, b, c or put up a line of fish hooks next to the windows, but if that doesn't kill him, he may sue my a$$ [&:]
 
Old Oct 4, 2006 | 10:21 PM
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i want a pistol. that would be cool, wouldnt really need it tho, i have a shotty, dont realyl need that either
 



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